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Big fan of KISS, Alice Cooper and The Beach Boys, but they all made some head-slappingly bad decisions on what songs they did or did not release.

There have been a few notable absences on Cheap Trick albums, but nothing too egregious. Sure, you can debate the merits of 'The Flame', but nothing in the CT catalog has the same cringe factor as 'Let's Put The X in Sex' or 'Poison' do.

However, there are some changes I'd recommend. This isn't to criticize the band; just some fun revisionist thinking.

CHEAP TRICK
The band had a ton of material. You could have three different first albums from their back catalog.

Having 'Surrender', 'I Want You to Want Me', 'Come On Come On', 'Southern Girls' as part of their '76 set lists would seem like the most logical additions.

However, these songs all fit with their inevitable releases. And the band always seems somewhat nonplussed about 'IWYTWM' - especially on the DVD 'From Tokyo To You'.

Instead, songs like 'Flame Burnin' In My Heart', 'Violins' and 'Fan Club' fit in better with the tone of the first album. Gary Wright's 'I Know' was a great cover.  

I guess that you'd have to sacrifice 'Speak Now ...', 'Cry, Cry' and 'Taxman, Mr Thief'. Personally, I'm not a huge 'Ballad of TV Violence' fan - but it's still part of the set list 35 years later and it was a key part of that album.

I love 'Disco Paradise', 'Look Out'  and 'Punch Ya' and they also would have fit in too.

IN COLOR

There was room for more songs. 'Oh Boy' or 'Take Me, I'm Yours' for instance. The IC version of 'IWYTWM' should have been scrapped for the up-tempo arrangement used later on AB.

'Can't Hold On' would fit nicely right after 'Southern Girls'. 'Loser' is good, but the middle eight was pinched for 'Oh Caroline'.    

HEAVEN TONIGHT

The band's best album. Wouldn't change anything, but I'm curious about the discussed version of Jackie Lomax's 'Speak To Me'. This could have been a huge hit for the band. But I can't imagine HT without 'California Man'.

AT BUDOKAN

'Oh Candy' should have been a part of the set-list, I've heard it Dream Police era gigs. 'On Top of the World' sounds fantastic on AB II.  

Hard to think of 'Need Your Love' or 'Look Out' as being expendable though ...

DREAM POLICE

While the sound and vocal quality isn't great, every CT fan needs to hear the DP outtake of 'Next Position Please'. There are additional lyrics and Tom & Rick singing parts of the verses.

Giving away 'It Must Be Love' and 'Need a Little Girl (Just Like You)' to Rick Derringer was kind of a shame. I would have included them & 'NPP' plus 'Day Tripper' in place of 'Need Your Love' and 'Writing On the Wall'.

The other choice I would have made was to let Robin sing 'I Know What I Want'. Nothing wrong with Tom's fun vocals, but this tune had Top 40 written all over it.

FOUND ALL THE PARTS

'Oh Boy' should have been here along with 'Fan Club' & 'Loser'.

ALL SHOOK UP

The aforementioned Beach Boys once released an album that band member Carl Wilson described as "a bunt instead of a grand slam'. This could describe 'All Shook Up'. Expectations were way too high and it seems like the band wasn't sure if they wanted to be hit-makers.

I love the album, it's a pretty adventurous set of songs.    

'Everything Works If You Let It' should have been there with 'Machines Make Money' and 'Why You're Here'. You'd have to cut 'Go For The Throat' and 'Love Comes Tumbling Down' to make room.        

ONE ON ONE

I know there's some ill-will with Pete Comita but 'Reach Out' is one of the band's best songs, and 'Fool Yourself' had tremendous potential. (Unfortunately, the rest of the band hated it!)

'Whatcha Gonna Do About It' and 'All I Really Want' were fun songs that could have replaced 'Ooh La La' and 'Saturday At Midnight'.

NEXT POSITION PLEASE

'Twisted Heart' and 'Don't Hit Me With Love' needed to be on that album. 'You Say Jump' should have been left off.

However, had there been a video behind 'Dancing The Night Away' it would have been the success the label wanted.   

STANDING ON THE EDGE

'A Place In France' (preferably known as 'Mama Won't Let You') could have been a single also. Not sure how it got left off completely.

THE DOCTOR

'Money Is The Route of All Fun' and 'Temptation' would have been better choices than some of the songs on this album.  

LAP OF LUXURY

'You Want It' and 'Through the Night' bump 'Space' and 'No Mercy'.

BUSTED - WOKE UP WITH A MONSTER - CHEAP TRICK ('97) -
SPECIAL ONE - ROCKFORD- THE
LATEST

Not a whole ton of alternate tunes to choose from. Love 'Mondo Ragga'. Obviously, love that Steve Albini version of 'In Color'.
I wouldn't remove any songs from the first album, add the few you mentioned would be okay with me too. Just for the sake of discussion though, how dark of a theme would the album have had with this track selection?:
"Hot Love"
"He's a Whore"
"Auf Wiedersehen"
"Oh, Candy"
"The Ballad of T.V. Violence (I'm Not the Only Boy)"
"ELO Kiddies"
"Daddy Should Have Stayed in High School"
"You're All Talk"
"I Dig Go-Go Girls"
"Surrender"
"Loser"
The whole album would be about sex and death, basically.

Cheap Trick obviously has some music that we all listen to more than others, but the song I really can't stand and would remove from CT history is "On The Radio". Mainly because it seems a little to "ass kissing" for me with lines like, "Hey mister on the radio
You’re really my best friend. Please play my favorite song for me." & "All of the rock and roll dj’s got their fingers on the world, ’cause they play the songs that make you and me feel so good." For a band that didn't get the airplay they should have, this song just annoys me.
THE DOCTOR

'Money Is The Route of All Fun' and 'Temptation' would have been better choices than some of the songs on this album.  

I hate this album- so the sounds of someone with cronic diarea would do sound better to me
I would have changed The Doctor so it would have been like this:

Side One
You Want It
Fortune Cookie
Down on the Bay
Ohm Sweet Ohm
It's Only Love

Side Two
Take Me To The Top
Money is the Route of All Evil
Stop That Thief
Through The Night
A Place In France

There's not much else I would have changed.
(10-17-2011, 03:34 AM)PEBA Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't remove any songs from the first album, add the few you mentioned would be okay with me too. Just for the sake of discussion though, how dark of a theme would the album have had with this track selection?:
"Hot Love"
"He's a Whore"
"Auf Wiedersehen"
"Oh, Candy"
"The Ballad of T.V. Violence (I'm Not the Only Boy)"
"ELO Kiddies"
"Daddy Should Have Stayed in High School"
"You're All Talk"
"I Dig Go-Go Girls"
"Surrender"
"Loser"
The whole album would be about sex and death, basically.

Cheap Trick obviously has some music that we all listen to more than others, but the song I really can't stand and would remove from CT history is "On The Radio". Mainly because it seems a little to "ass kissing" for me with lines like, "Hey mister on the radio
You’re really my best friend. Please play my favorite song for me." & "All of the rock and roll dj’s got their fingers on the world, ’cause they play the songs that make you and me feel so good." For a band that didn't get the airplay they should have, this song just annoys me.

i like "on the radio"----
it has a cool chromatic riff, and the verse chord changes are totally atypical---major chords moving in major thirds, then change key and do it again. the verse melody is varied over each chord, and i like the key changes throughout the song. the chorus melody is also varied over the chords, and i think it's a great chorus with excellent harmonies. the bridge has a cool hook. the tune goes double time at the end. deceptively musically interesting. robin sounds great vocally in every part of the song. it would have been interesting if they played it back in the day after HT was released. the spirit of the lyrics is kinda like "clock strikes ten"(another song with a cool chromatic riff)---i viewed it as a kind of celebration of the youthful rock & roll experience--the way it was back in the day.

when bun e. described it as pandering, i didn't agree---i liked it along with all the other songs on the record.

interestingly, this song has a huge, but natural, keyboard presence. jai winding playing his ass off, and perfect. this never bothered me, although i always like CT when the songs are just them. i don't prefer the sound of "THE DOCTOR", and even to an extent "THE LATEST" (which IS a great record), which sound like they have outside hands in the pot.


(10-16-2011, 09:30 PM)The Ballad of Burt and Linda Wrote: [ -> ]Big fan of KISS, Alice Cooper and The Beach Boys, but they all made some head-slappingly bad decisions on what songs they did or did not release.

There have been a few notable absences on Cheap Trick albums, but nothing too egregious. Sure, you can debate the merits of 'The Flame', but nothing in the CT catalog has the same cringe factor as 'Let's Put The X in Sex' or 'Poison' do.

However, there are some changes I'd recommend. This isn't to criticize the band; just some fun revisionist thinking.

CHEAP TRICK
The band had a ton of material. You could have three different first albums from their back catalog.

Having 'Surrender', 'I Want You to Want Me', 'Come On Come On', 'Southern Girls' as part of their '76 set lists would seem like the most logical additions.

However, these songs all fit with their inevitable releases. And the band always seems somewhat nonplussed about 'IWYTWM' - especially on the DVD 'From Tokyo To You'.

Instead, songs like 'Flame Burnin' In My Heart', 'Violins' and 'Fan Club' fit in better with the tone of the first album. Gary Wright's 'I Know' was a great cover.  

I guess that you'd have to sacrifice 'Speak Now ...', 'Cry, Cry' and 'Taxman, Mr Thief'. Personally, I'm not a huge 'Ballad of TV Violence' fan - but it's still part of the set list 35 years later and it was a key part of that album.

I love 'Disco Paradise', 'Look Out'  and 'Punch Ya' and they also would have fit in too.

IN COLOR

There was room for more songs. 'Oh Boy' or 'Take Me, I'm Yours' for instance. The IC version of 'IWYTWM' should have been scrapped for the up-tempo arrangement used later on AB.

'Can't Hold On' would fit nicely right after 'Southern Girls'. 'Loser' is good, but the middle eight was pinched for 'Oh Caroline'.    

HEAVEN TONIGHT

The band's best album. Wouldn't change anything, but I'm curious about the discussed version of Jackie Lomax's 'Speak To Me'. This could have been a huge hit for the band. But I can't imagine HT without 'California Man'.

AT BUDOKAN

'Oh Candy' should have been a part of the set-list, I've heard it Dream Police era gigs. 'On Top of the World' sounds fantastic on AB II.  

Hard to think of 'Need Your Love' or 'Look Out' as being expendable though ...

DREAM POLICE

While the sound and vocal quality isn't great, every CT fan needs to hear the DP outtake of 'Next Position Please'. There are additional lyrics and Tom & Rick singing parts of the verses.

Giving away 'It Must Be Love' and 'Need a Little Girl (Just Like You)' to Rick Derringer was kind of a shame. I would have included them & 'NPP' plus 'Day Tripper' in place of 'Need Your Love' and 'Writing On the Wall'.

The other choice I would have made was to let Robin sing 'I Know What I Want'. Nothing wrong with Tom's fun vocals, but this tune had Top 40 written all over it.

FOUND ALL THE PARTS

'Oh Boy' should have been here along with 'Fan Club' & 'Loser'.

ALL SHOOK UP

The aforementioned Beach Boys once released an album that band member Carl Wilson described as "a bunt instead of a grand slam'. This could describe 'All Shook Up'. Expectations were way too high and it seems like the band wasn't sure if they wanted to be hit-makers.

I love the album, it's a pretty adventurous set of songs.    

'Everything Works If You Let It' should have been there with 'Machines Make Money' and 'Why You're Here'. You'd have to cut 'Go For The Throat' and 'Love Comes Tumbling Down' to make room.        

ONE ON ONE

I know there's some ill-will with Pete Comita but 'Reach Out' is one of the band's best songs, and 'Fool Yourself' had tremendous potential. (Unfortunately, the rest of the band hated it!)

'Whatcha Gonna Do About It' and 'All I Really Want' were fun songs that could have replaced 'Ooh La La' and 'Saturday At Midnight'.

NEXT POSITION PLEASE

'Twisted Heart' and 'Don't Hit Me With Love' needed to be on that album. 'You Say Jump' should have been left off.

However, had there been a video behind 'Dancing The Night Away' it would have been the success the label wanted.   

STANDING ON THE EDGE

'A Place In France' (preferably known as 'Mama Won't Let You' could have been a single also. Not sure how it got left off completely.

THE DOCTOR

'Money Is The Route of All Fun' and 'Temptation' would have been better choices than some of the songs on this album.  

LAP OF LUXURY

'You Want It' and 'Through the Night' bump 'Space' and 'No Mercy'.

BUSTED - WOKE UP WITH A MONSTER - CHEAP TRICK ('97) -
SPECIAL ONE - ROCKFORD- THE
LATEST

Not a whole ton of alternate tunes to choose from. Love 'Mondo Ragga'. Obviously, love that Steve Albini version of 'In Color'.

there is nothing i would change on any of the albums up to ASU---except for one thing. i would have put EWIYLI on ASU so that they (possibly) would have had a clear choice for a single on that record. otherwise, i love them all----equally.
Fan Club and Twisted Heart belong on any of their early albums. Despite what the band and others say about On The Radio, I really like it, always have.
I'm a big Alice Cooper & Kiss fan as well. "Poison" I've always liked. Great guitar lick. "X in Sex" is an absolutely awful song. Kiss should be embarrassed they released on a Greatest Hits album. The same goes for "Rock Hard".

Overall, I really don't mind "The Flame". As time goes on I like it more and more. I know the band didn't write it, but the band performs it perfectly. The opening guitar lick is quite haunting to me. More importantly, Robin Zander proves he has an amazing voice and is second to none!