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Some of new songs on the recent album (and not so much the ones from old demos) has Julian Raymond listed first in the songwriting credits. Seems like he's more or less the 5th band member and does much more of the writing and arranging for the band (apart from being their go-to-guy for producer). Even the albums that Julian didn't produce had him co-writing some of the better songs on those albums. I know the band is on record stating they've sworn off 'song doctors', but it seems Julian is really the glue keeping things together and moving the band forward.
(07-02-2016, 03:09 PM)curiouser Wrote: [ -> ]Some of new songs on the recent album (and not so much the ones from old demos) has Julian Raymond listed first in the songwriting credits. Seems like he's more or less the 5th band member and does much more of the writing and arranging for the band (apart from being their go-to-guy for producer). Even the albums that Julian didn't produce had him co-writing some of the better songs on those albums. I know the band is on record stating they've sworn off 'song doctors', but it seems Julian is really the glue keeping things together and moving the band forward.


What, I picked up on in a recent interview is that while waiting for the lawsuit with Bun to be settled, Robin got together with Julian and wrote about seven or eight songs.  Also, since a new cd will becoming out, guessing around Thanksgiving, there will probably be more of that collaboration, with some older Rick material, I have a feeling it will be a song called, "Ain't Got You", and I heard a version of them doing the Move's, "Blackberry Way", that was pulled as fast as it appeared.  I don't know if anyone else heard it.  I heard like a minute of it...I am almost certain it was them....Robin has a very distinct voice...guess we will have to wait and see.
(07-02-2016, 09:48 PM)kevintonight Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-02-2016, 03:09 PM)curiouser Wrote: [ -> ]Some of new songs on the recent album (and not so much the ones from old demos) has Julian Raymond listed first in the songwriting credits. Seems like he's more or less the 5th band member and does much more of the writing and arranging for the band (apart from being their go-to-guy for producer). Even the albums that Julian didn't produce had him co-writing some of the better songs on those albums. I know the band is on record stating they've sworn off 'song doctors', but it seems Julian is really the glue keeping things together and moving the band forward.


What, I picked up on in a recent interview is that while waiting for the lawsuit with Bun to be settled, Robin got together with Julian and wrote about seven or eight songs.  Also, since a new cd will becoming out, guessing around Thanksgiving, there will probably be more of that collaboration, with some older Rick material, I have a feeling it will be a song called, "Ain't Got You", and I heard a version of them doing the Move's, "Blackberry Way", that was pulled as fast as it appeared.  I don't know if anyone else heard it.  I heard like a minute of it...I am almost certain it was them....Robin has a very distinct voice...guess we will have to wait and see.
Are we sure about this new album coming out? When will they have time to record it? Do they think this will be THE ONE? Bang Zoom Crazy didn't exactly set the charts on fire.
^^It was recorded in the same session as BZCH. Apart from that, the vast majority of bands out there don't 'set the charts on fire'. That shouldn't deter them from making new albums. Are you implying that since Cheap Trick didn't sell millions of copies of BZCH, they should stop recording music? Lol...
Charts don't get set on fire anymore, they smoulder.

What stops bands from recording new music is the lack of revenue it generates. It costs more for most bands to record and promote an album than it will ever earn in sales. Thanks aholes that download everything instead of buying it. The hope is that it will get enough interest for people to come out and see the band play live so they can make a living from touring. With a band like CT the majority of concert goers don't want to hear new material but just the hits (other than the hardcore fans). Be glad they still make new music but I still highly doubt the 2 new albums a year story. It just makes no sense.

Should they stop recording music? No. Is it financially sound to make new music? No.
(07-11-2016, 09:49 AM)clp Wrote: [ -> ]Charts don't get set on fire anymore, they smoulder.

What stops bands from recording new music is the lack of revenue it generates. It costs more for most bands to record and promote an album than it will ever earn in sales. Thanks aholes that download everything instead of buying it. The hope is that it will get enough interest for people to come out and see the band play live so they can make a living from touring. With a band like CT the majority of concert goers don't want to hear new material but just the hits (other than the hardcore fans). Be glad they still make new music but I still highly doubt the 2 new albums a year story. It just makes no sense.

Should they stop recording music? No. Is it financially sound to make new music? No.

Then I guess Tom and Rick weren't telling the truth when they said the band has another album ready to go and that they wanted to get back into the habit of releasing new albums every 6 months or so.
(07-11-2016, 01:08 PM)curiouser Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-11-2016, 09:49 AM)clp Wrote: [ -> ]Charts don't get set on fire anymore, they smoulder.

What stops bands from recording new music is the lack of revenue it generates. It costs more for most bands to record and promote an album than it will ever earn in sales. Thanks aholes that download everything instead of buying it. The hope is that it will get enough interest for people to come out and see the band play live so they can make a living from touring. With a band like CT the majority of concert goers don't want to hear new material but just the hits (other than the hardcore fans). Be glad they still make new music but I still highly doubt the 2 new albums a year story. It just makes no sense.

Should they stop recording music? No. Is it financially sound to make new music? No.

Then I guess Tom and Rick weren't telling the truth when they said the band has another album ready to go and that they wanted to get back into the habit of releasing new albums every 6 months or so.

I would say the chances of another album in Oct. are unlikely. I've heard the band members say many things over the years that never happen. If it does it will be a pleasant surprise but I wouldn't bet on it.
BZCH is a really good album, the songs are very catchy, and it is more of a rock record. TL, which I thought was great and fun to listen to, seemed like a producer's record. They obviously like working with Julian Raymond and they have been able to cover a lot of ground and a lot of sounds with him.

I would love for them to work with Jack Douglas again, as if that would hold the promise of a return to their early sound, but that was almost 40 years ago, and it goes without saying that everyone has grown...a lot.
(07-12-2016, 12:50 AM)checkeredv Wrote: [ -> ]BZCH is a really good album, the songs are very catchy, and it is more of a rock record. TL, which I thought was great and fun to listen to, seemed like a producer's record. They obviously like working with Julian Raymond and they have been able to cover a lot of ground and a lot of sounds with him.

I would love for them to work with Jack Douglas again, as if that would hold the promise of a return to their early sound, but that was almost 40 years ago, and it goes without saying that everyone has grown...a lot.

They've attempted things with Jack over the years, and other than the odd track, it never gets finished or released. The most recent example being a few years ago. The other main one being SOTE where he disappeared before mixing. 

Julian does a fine job but at the same time when you get too comfortable working with the same producer you sometimes don't get that push you need to challenge you. When the producer is co-writing the material don't you think he has more invested in those tracks. My opinion is to challenge the band to write more or better material material instead.

Now they have a label behind them maybe continue to write with Julian but get a different producer in to see where it takes them. They should be able to have their pick of anyone they want.
BZCH is their best selling album since Busted. It debuted at #31 on Billboard. Charted way higher than WUWAM and everything else after. A next album is a certainty.
(07-12-2016, 11:00 AM)clp Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-12-2016, 12:50 AM)checkeredv Wrote: [ -> ]BZCH is a really good album, the songs are very catchy, and it is more of a rock record. TL, which I thought was great and fun to listen to, seemed like a producer's record. They obviously like working with Julian Raymond and they have been able to cover a lot of ground and a lot of sounds with him.

I would love for them to work with Jack Douglas again, as if that would hold the promise of a return to their early sound, but that was almost 40 years ago, and it goes without saying that everyone has grown...a lot.

They've attempted things with Jack over the years, and other than the odd track, it never gets finished or released. The most recent example being a few years ago. The other main one being SOTE where he disappeared before mixing. 

Julian does a fine job but at the same time when you get too comfortable working with the same producer you sometimes don't get that push you need to challenge you. When the producer is co-writing the material don't you think he has more invested in those tracks. My opinion is to challenge the band to write more or better material material instead.

Now they have a label behind them maybe continue to write with Julian but get a different producer in to see where it takes them. They should be able to have their pick of anyone they want.
I agree basically...

it's funny how sure of things we as fans can be about what we think they should do and what they can do. we have this infinite faith in them that was established by our first contact with their music----I sometimes catch myself kind of wanting them to ungrow themselves back to 77-81..haha!! but I also realize that to them, I think, their best record is the next one, and then the next, and the next. we loved that part of them that we connected with, but in they're minds they had ambitions we couldn't know about, until time allowed those to unfold.

some of their records i don't prefer, but the only part of their career that i felt we weren't getting the true CHEAP TRICK was in the the period between 82-92. not that it was fake or anything, I like tons of the songs and the production and stuff, but i felt that the hyper-commercialism of the 80s forced them, along with many others, to break from the original idea. once they were off of epic, it seemed like they were more back on a path that was of their own making, at least more so.

bottom line is---we don't know what they think or want to do. and really, at this stage of their career and life, they should do whatever they want to do. work with whoever they want and write whatever they want. i'm there whichever way they go...
I totally agree with this statement.
"at this stage of their career and life, they should do whatever they want to do. work with whoever they want and write whatever they want."

And I also would think that if they didn't think the next one was going to be their best there would be no point in making another. No one goes into an album thinking "this is gonna suck but let's do it". It's always the next one, that's what keeps you going.

I like the fact that they want to keep recording and not just rest on their past.
(07-13-2016, 02:43 AM)clp Wrote: [ -> ]I totally agree with this statement.
"at this stage of their career and life, they should do whatever they want to do. work with whoever they want and write whatever they want."

And I also would think that if they didn't think the next one was going to be their best there would be no point in making another. No one goes into an album thinking "this is gonna suck but let's do it". It's always the next one, that's what keeps you going.

I like the fact that they want to keep recording and not just rest on their past.

I agree
I think they should retire* & pass the band down to the kids**. Daxx on Drums, Miles-Vocals & Guitar. Fill out the rest of the line-up with Ian, Holland, Taylor & Sailor. Scarlett & Erron. Lilah & Liam.

*I'm just kidding about retiring, don't kill me.
**I would give a Cheap Kids album a listen.
(07-14-2016, 08:41 AM)PEBA Wrote: [ -> ]I think they should retire* & pass the band down to the kids**. Daxx on Drums, Miles-Vocals & Guitar. Fill out the rest of the line-up with Ian, Holland, Taylor & Sailor. Scarlett & Erron. Lilah & Liam.

*I'm just kidding about retiring, don't kill me.
**I would give a Cheap Kids album a listen.

Ian,Robin T.,Daxx,Miles & Liam.  


They could be called Here Comes The Sons.   Big Grin
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