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What is the difference between Budokan, Budokan II, Budokan Complete and Budokan! ? The way I heard it was Budokan II was supposed to be the rest of the original Budokan, but then we find out some of the songs are from '79. So then they released Budokan Complete and this was the be all end all until Bun E. confirmed that they really didn't know where some of the intros went because they cut up the concert so much for the original album. Then comes Budokan! with a dvd and 3 cds and I'm trying to figure how different Budokan! disc 2 is from Budokan Complete because there would be no need to add 2 extra cds to the box set if disc 3 & 4 are the same as disc 2. So are Budokan! and Budokan Complete from 2 separate days or what? Some songs sound exactly the same some sound different and some it's hard to tell (no pun intended) because of the different productions.
You pretty much answered your own question Smile

I don't have the four disc set for reasons you mention - it just seems like like it contains a lot of repetition.

If you have the original Budokan and Budokan II, you really don't need the double CD - Budokan complete. The first two releases have everything that the "Budokan Complete" has PLUS three new songs from the following tour (on Budokan II).

Unfortunately, I don't even know if Budokan II is available anymore. Supposedly it was released "without the band's blessing". I heard one of the band members gripe about it because it had the same "crowd loop" going through it and it was significantly doctored. It never bothered me, nor did I even notice.

"Budokan Complete" also strips some of the overdub fixes that were on the original "Budokan". Depending on your tastes, that's either good or bad.

I believe the 30 year collection (this would be the "4th") has another show (same setlist) and maybe a DVD. Since I'm not wealthy, I never bought it.

Hope this helps somewhat! If you can find Budokan II, I would recommend purchasing it.


Clem
i just searched Apple music. It looks like they only have the original and the "30 year anniversary". The 30 year anniversary might also be referred to by some as "Budokan Complete". When I posted about "Budokan Complete", I was referring to the 2 disc version that came out sometime in the 90s.

hope i didn't confuse you further


Clem

PS - It looks like the 30 year release adds the exact same show, but at a different performance. Weird. I know.
Had anyone done a detailed comparison on the various Budokan releases?
I've been going through what I have and am starting to notice some differences.

Rick's intro to "Can't Hold On" on the original TV broadcast is obviously from a different night than the "Complete Budokan" 2 CD set.

Budokan is one of my all time fave live albums and I would love to know more about what shows were used for the different releases.
How much of Osaka 78 was used for the Budokan album for example?

Any help with this is greatly appreciated!
(04-16-2016, 09:59 AM)PEBA Wrote: [ -> ]What is the difference between Budokan, Budokan II, Budokan Complete and Budokan! ? The way I heard it was Budokan II was supposed to be the rest of the original Budokan, but then we find out some of the songs are from '79. So then they released Budokan Complete and this was the be all end all until Bun E. confirmed that they really didn't know where some of the intros went because they cut up the concert so much for the original album. Then comes Budokan! with a dvd and 3 cds and I'm trying to figure how different Budokan! disc 2 is from Budokan Complete because there would be no need to add 2 extra cds to the box set if disc 3 & 4 are the same as disc 2. So are Budokan! and Budokan Complete from 2 separate days or what? Some songs sound exactly the same some sound different and some it's hard to tell (no pun intended) because of the different productions.

  There often is confusion about the various releases, hopefully I can help out a bit.

 Yes, discs 3 & 4 from the Budokan! four disc set are the same (and are labelled as) The Complete Budokan two CD release.
 But discs 1 & 2 from Budokan! are DVD and CDs of the complete April 28th show in Tokyo. These are different recordings than what makes up any of the other Budokan releases.

So if you get Budokan! (and you should, its excellent) you do not need Complete Budokan at all, as it is included.
Sorry if this is old news but....has it been discussed the differences in "Auf Weidersehen" on the Budokan II and Complete Budokan releases?
Today I physically found a 2 disc Budokan! release that is the DVD and CD from the Budokan! 4 disc set without the double Complete Budokan.
Comes in a slim jewel case.

Didn't buy it as that would be redundant since I own the 4 disc set.

But I sure was tempted.....might go back tomorrow!
(06-29-2016, 10:05 PM)Beauvoir Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-16-2016, 09:59 AM)PEBA Wrote: [ -> ]What is the difference between Budokan, Budokan II, Budokan Complete and Budokan! ? The way I heard it was Budokan II was supposed to be the rest of the original Budokan, but then we find out some of the songs are from '79. So then they released Budokan Complete and this was the be all end all until Bun E. confirmed that they really didn't know where some of the intros went because they cut up the concert so much for the original album. Then comes Budokan! with a dvd and 3 cds and I'm trying to figure how different Budokan! disc 2 is from Budokan Complete because there would be no need to add 2 extra cds to the box set if disc 3 & 4 are the same as disc 2. So are Budokan! and Budokan Complete from 2 separate days or what? Some songs sound exactly the same some sound different and some it's hard to tell (no pun intended) because of the different productions.

  There often is confusion about the various releases, hopefully I can help out a bit.

 Yes, discs 3 & 4 from the Budokan! four disc set are the same (and are labelled as) The Complete Budokan two CD release.
 But discs 1 & 2 from Budokan! are DVD and CDs of the complete April 28th show in Tokyo. These are different recordings than what makes up any of the other Budokan releases.

So if you get Budokan! (and you should, its excellent) you do not need Complete Budokan at all, as it is included.

I have all the different versions. I originally asked the question of differences because I've been trying to eliminate duplicates off my iTunes. I really don't need 7 copies of the same version of Surrender.

Correct me if I'm wrong:

I think all the songs on Budokan! show up on At Budokan, Budokan II, & At Budokan: The Complete Concert. *Budokan! refers to the 4 disc dvd/cd set disc 2

I think the only unique song on the original At Budokan album is: Need Your Love.

I think Auffie, Can't Hold On, Downed, How Are You, On Top Of The World, Speak Now, & Stiff Comp are the only versions unique to Budokan II

Lookout appears to be the only unique song on the Complete Concert sampler.

I think the versions of Ain't That A Shame, Auffie, Can't Hold On, Lookout, Speak Now, & Surrender are unique to At Budokan: Complete

Like I said before, it's hard to tell with all the clipping and re-pasting of intros on various versions.
(07-03-2016, 12:31 AM)Beauvoir Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry if this is old news but....has it been discussed the differences in "Auf Weidersehen" on the Budokan II and Complete Budokan releases?

I think, but I may be wrong, that Auffie is different on Budokan II, At Budokan: The Complete Concert, & on Budokan! (disc 2 of the 4disc dvd/cd set). So 3 different versions? They all have distinctively different lengths with all of them starting about the same. Budokan II is around 4:25, Complete is around 4:09, & Budokan! is around 3:58. It sounds like they might be the same versions with the crowd at the end clipped, but I can't tell for sure. I even have a hard time telling the re-recorded version of Ozzy's Blizzard of Ozz from the original.
(07-11-2016, 11:15 PM)PEBA Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-03-2016, 12:31 AM)Beauvoir Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry if this is old news but....has it been discussed the differences in "Auf Weidersehen" on the Budokan II and Complete Budokan releases?

I think, but I may be wrong, that Auffie is different on Budokan II, At Budokan: The Complete Concert, & on Budokan! (disc 2 of the 4disc dvd/cd set). So 3 different versions? They all have distinctively different lengths with all of them starting about the same. Budokan II is around 4:25, Complete is around 4:09, & Budokan! is around 3:58. It sounds like they might be the same versions with the crowd at the end clipped, but I can't tell for sure. I even have a hard time telling the re-recorded version of Ozzy's Blizzard of Ozz from the original.

Let's not complicate things by talking about the first 2 Ozzy albums. 
I'm also pretty obsessed with all the different versions of those releases!

(and I don't consider myself a fan of Ozzy at all)